When customer service goes mad
I rate good/great customer service very highly when it comes to retaining clients and obtaining new clients so it always make me laugh at how some companies value their customer service and more to the point wonder how they’re still in business!
The other day I had a couple of conversations with Fasthosts that I simply had to share. A little background though –we’ve been with Fasthosts for a couple of years now, I think we originally signed up in 1999 through 4as1 and I know we were one of their first customers. Since then we’ve registered around 300 domains with their sister company UKReg without a problem.
More recently however I’ve been feeling less easy about their service. Firstly they started charging for things left right and centre –ok, they’ve got a business to run, next they started to overload the servers (ok it’s a shared server, I can live with that), to combat the overloaded servers they started moving domains –I’m guessing higher demand sites onto their own boxes. That was ok, except they gave you no advanced warning and seeing as a fair few of the sites in question would reference MS Access databases elsewhere would cause us no-end of update fun.
Then their support went down hill to the extent that we often had to wait for ages until the phone was answered (listening to “you are 17th in the queue”). At this point we had just opened an account with Rackspace so had the view to slowly move the domains over. That was until I got an email saying they would now be charging for a number of services that were historically free which cut into our margins –making them negative. That annoyed me somewhat so moving the sites away from Fasthosts was moved up my priority list.
When we first signed up with Fasthosts they were the dogs, cheap hosting with all the bells and whistles –we had a Windows account which meant –unlike others at the time we had free use of ASP and all sorts but now all they seem interested in is the Yankee dollar rather than customer retention.
The other day was the straw that broke the camels back in regards my tolerance of Fasthosts. I had two fairly simple questions and it wasn’t easy to get a straight response to either. The first related to a domain I was adding for a client, they don’t use it but have access to a personal control panel which allows them to manage their emails etc. The control panel although a little outdated does the job. The catch however is recently you need to pay for use of Fasthosts’ control panel or you can build your own through the API. I didn’t need half the stuff included in the “Standard Bundle” and only wanted Fasthosts’ personal control panel so thought it would be best to ask which package I needed:
Conversation 1 – Fasthosts Personal Control Panels
We’re adding a new domain name –the first since you removed the control panel from the options and I was wondering which option I choose to enable the client control panel, do I need the standard products bundle?
TIA
Tim
Dear Tim,
-- Irrelevant waffle emoved for brevity (and replaced with more!) --Choosing the standard product bundle will include the customer control panel.
regards
Ricky Manders
Hi Ricky,
Are you sure as the last I heard it had been removed from the standard bundle and replaced with API control. Please can you confirm that the client will defiantly have access to the control panel using the standard panel (without requiring me to build one).
Furthermore, I cannot even add the domain as I get an error message "Could not convert variant of type (Null) into type (String)".
Tim
Dear Tim,
-- Irrelevant waffle emoved for brevity (and replaced with more!) --The customer control panel is still included, but is described as API control.
The error that you are receiving is currently being investigated, as it is affecting all users.
regards
Ricky Manders
Ricky,
I am concerned about the statement below as I have noted the following charges against my account which make me doubt what you are stating:
123456 £35.19 02-Mar-2007 1234 - Reseller Account Standard Plan Recurring domain.com
123456 £5.88 02-Mar-2007 1234 - Reseller Account Customer Control Recurring domain.com
123456 £5.88 08-Mar-2007 1234 - Reseller Account Customer Control Recurring domain.co.uk
123456 £35.19 17-Mar-2007 1234 - Reseller Account Standard Plan Recurring domain.co.uk
etcPlease can you tell me why I am being charged for the control panel when you have just clearly told me that it is included.
Thanks
Tim Gaunt
Massively long delay before a response finally comes
Dear Tim,
Thank you for your email.
I have removed the invoices for the customer control panels from your account as they are included in the Standard package as normal.
You will not be charged seperately for these ones.
I hope this helps.
Many Thanks
Stuart Millar
Great! They’ve removed the control panels I highlighed (and only those ones!) but they were just the ones in the next month! In fairness, after a few more emails I did get the past invoices refunded as well as a fair few future ones taken off the account but it makes me very concerned as to who else is still paying this charge... I would never have questioned it as they did send a mailshot out saying they would now be charging for them etc. Most odd
Conversation 2 – SQL Server Express
As I’ve already mentioned, we’ve been with Fasthosts for around 8 years now (that’s at least £7k in the basic fees in case you’re interested) and for most of that we’ve had use of a shared SQL Server. When we signed up it was SQL Server 7 and although we’ve requested it nicely we’ve never been upgraded and so it resides on a very outdated machine to which we cannot connect using the new SQL Management studio.
This shared SQL Server costs us £35pm and as we’ve only got 3 active clients using it, bringing in a total of £300pa I felt that is a slight waste of money so my plan was to use SQL Server Express in place (they’re relatively low traffic sites and MS Access was out of the question as they made use of various stored procedures).
As you now have to pay extra for an ASP.Net account I thought I’d ask support to find out what the situation was...
Hi,
Do the ASP.Net accounts support SQL Server Express yet?
Tim
I felt that was direct and straight to the point, not asking anything too complicated to which one may expect a yes/no answer? Right?...
Dear Tim,
Yes you can use express with .net, however we are still running sql server 2000 not 2005 so you will need to use use the apropriate authentication method.
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Luke Rothwell
Ok, I know sometimes I’m a little slow but “appropriate authentication method” that had me seriously confused, the only thing I could think was he was referring to Management Studio. Not only that I know for a fact that we’re on SQL Server 7…
Hi Luke,
I take it you mean no, I'm not referring to the SQL Server Management Studio, I would like to use a SQL Server Express database with one of my client's applications.
Please let me know if I've misunderstood you.
Tim
Dear Tim,
Thanks for contacting us with your support enquiry.
SQL Server Express is an option that needs to be installed on the actual server and being on a shared hosting environment you would not be able to do this. You can however use the shared SQL servers which will offer the functionality that you are after.
-- Irrelevant waffle emoved for brevity (and replaced with more!) --
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Paul Hancox
Ok, so perhaps my question wasn't clear enough, I thought that's what I asked, I thought (clearly incorrectly) that SQL Server Express was now released as a standard update through Microsoft updates -so they've disabled that. Perhaps I should have been a little clear in pointing out the fact that I HAVE a shared SQL Server account with them and that it was unsatisfactory but hey I thought they'd check what services we already had with them.
Hi Paul,
Well seeing as my original question was "Do the ASP.Net accounts support SQL Server Express yet?" the answer was simply no!
I know about the shared SQL server which if you check on our account you will see we have. I want to use SQL Express as we have a separate dedicated server which we're slowly moving all sites onto and no longer have the need to spend £30pm on your SQL Server with the exception of a few small sites. The idea was to move only those sites onto SQL Express and thus rid ourselves of this £30pm, sadly though as you're still not supporting such basic services as these it will once again mean more work for us.
Yet again a dismayed customer, why can't you offer the same high standards that you did back in 99/2000?
Tim Gaunt
Ok, so as this point you can tell I was slowly quickly loosing grip but this next one just finishes me off...
Dear Tim Gaunt,
Thanks for contacting us with your support enquiry.
If you have a dedicated server then you can install SQL express on there as you have full access to your server.
On a shared hosting environment you can not install any software on the server itself.
-- Irrelevant waffle emoved for brevity (and replaced with more!) --
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Paul Hancox
Feel like you’re on a roundabout? I gave up and spent the weekend fast-forwarding my server transfer schedule.
Ok, looking at those few emails perhaps it is a bit extreme to close down our account with them but this is a monthly occurrence, I would say all in all this set of emails took around 2 hours of my day which to me is time I could be billing a client so I think it’s justified.
As it happens they did me a favour, by forcing my hand (or annoying me to the extent I did something about it) we're now finally on Rackspace and our sites are a lot more speedy :) Happy Days!
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